***Brandtson*** (a
conversation with Fay Jakymec)
 Unlike
some bands that are content to keep the same sound throughout their existence,
Deep Elm band Brandtson has successfully reinvented itself. Even though the dark,
harsh guitars of their debut Letterbox was an instant hit, they climbed out on
limb taking things in a more pop-ish direction with their follow up Fallen Star
Collection. I recently sat down with guitarist Matt Traxler and bassist John Sayre.
While being huddled on a curb in a Michigan March evening with only a lighter
to see my questions and the occasional strain of small town hardcore assaulting
our ears isn't exactly the most ideal situation to hold an interview in, the guys
graciously answered my questions on Christianity and the arts.
Fay:
Why aren't you guys playing at Cornerstone? John: Basically.I guess
the guy who had been running it for years and years isn't running it now and somebody
new took over and they just booked the bands a lot earlier this year than they
ever did before. Matt: We just didn't get asked and we called and tried
to get on and it was all full so. John: We're pretty bummed about it,
but. Matt: We're bummed, but whatever. John: It happens
Matt: There's plenty of other stuff to play. Fay: You guys
have a new album coming out? Matt: Well, not an album it's an EP. We're
on tour now and we're going to be recording in a couple weeks and it's just going
to be like six songs, so six new songs. Fay: Do you know when that's
going to come out? Matt: Um. I'm not positive. My guess would be. John:
I would assume. Matt: What is today? *laughing * It's March. My guess
would be early May, somewhere around there, but I'm not positive.
(discussion
about which songs they had played that night that were new)
Fay:
The last interview I did with you (Matt) was for Bandoppler. In that you said
that you had had opportunities to go with Christian labels when Brandtson was
first starting out but you waited them out. Why was that? Matt: Umm.we
just kind of from the start.like all of us in the band are Christians, but just
kind of from the start wanted to stay away from the whole Christian scene. We'd
had bad experiences from being in other bands that were on Christian labels in
the past and everything I saw of how some of the more well known Christian labels
were run I just didn't really want anything to do with. I don't know.we're just
playing the music that we like and don't feel that we need to.we don't need to
use Christ as a selling point.so I don't know.there are several reasons, but I
mean kind of in a nutshell that's it I guess. Fay: Do you think like
a lot of bands in the Christian music industry are doing that - using Christ as
a selling point? John: I don't know if it's so much the bands cause
I mean we've met a lot of Christian bands on Christian labels and they're all,
from my experience, pretty genuine. I think when.anytime you put God and business
together it gets kind of ugly.personally, it's just.I don't know.I think you have
to walk the tightrope and I think in some cases labels tend to go for the profit
more than.you know.whatever evangelistic motives they have. Matt: I
think it's also like a built in market that no matter what you put out on a Christian
label if you make it look cool. I mean you can make your CD look cool and you
can advertise it however to appeal to anybody in.outside the Christian market
and there's still no better chance of it selling than any other record, but because
there's such a tight close on the Christian market.there's only a handful of bands
that kids are really into within the whole Christian scene so that anything that
certain labels put out it's guaranteed they're going to sell so many of many of
them because those kids are only supposedly only allowed to listen to "Christian"
music, so anything that comes out they're going to buy so that they can have new
records. That's understandable, but it's like.I don't know. I would rather us
sell our records on playing the songs that we like and people liking our songs
or liking our live set than because it's on a certain label or because it's in
the Christian bookstore they'll buy it. I don't know I'm just babbling. John:
Well I guess the bottom line is basically, we don't necessarily have anything
against Christian labels if that's what.you know...if that's what they do and
that's that their thing that's cool we just didn't feel like that's where we belonged.
It's pretty much that simple. It took twenty minutes to get there, but....*laughing
* Fay: I did this whole thing on Christians and the arts with another
person and I thought it was a really good idea, so that's basically what the rest
of the questions are, not anything. Matt: That's cool. Fay:
Okay John: Nothing that's going to get us in trouble. Fay:
No. *laughing * Matt: Is that helping at all? Fay: Yeah it
is. Matt: Or am I just annoying you? *laughing * Borderline catching
you on fire. John: Pyromaniac
| | Fay:
Do you think that there is supposed to be something distinctively Christian
about a Christian artist's work? Like say writing something or like..you know..create
something that the person who sees it will know. John: I think the
perfect example is Micheangelo's sculpture of David. The only thing Christian
or Biblical about that was the guy's name. I mean it's a beautiful sculpture and
I don't know if that's Christian art or not because..you know...he could have
opted to put a John 3:16 reference on it or something. I think all art should
glorify God because God is the creator and when we create we're basically imitating
God. God gave us creative abilities the same as he has creative abilities. I don't
think it's necessary to.cause the song doesn't have the name Jesus in it it's
not a Christian song and I know some people are that particular. The reality is,
I mean, we are Christians but we're in this world and we deal with the same junk
that everyone else deals with and I think in a lot of cases, at least I mean,
I grew up in church and so many times the church didn't address real life. It
didn't address going through like being a teenager or whatever it didn't.you know?
It didn't even began to talk about temptations or just the real stuff that's out
there and kind of gave kind of a pet answer trust God and everything will be okay,
so I don't know it's....I think Christians should be striving to do the best art
or music or whatever that they can and I think that's glorifying to God. I don't
think necessary that releasing an album that sounds like garbage and because you
have the name of Jesus all through it and you thank Jesus in your liner notes
and stuff, I don't think that makes it Christian. I think that's almost dishonoring
to God. Matt: Yeah. *laughing * Fay: Do you think there
is a boundary that Christians should never cross? Matt: I think just
in general I don't think there should be any like set boundaries. I think (of
course that?) according to God's word that we're supposed to set an example and
be a Godly example to other people and I think otherwise that.I mean obviously
there are black and white do and don't, but I mean I don't think there's any kind
of rule book of what someone should do or shouldn't do in the name of art or whatever.
I think that if you're doing something that is real to you and an expression of
who you are then do it and if you're...I don't know...if you're going through
something or have been through something and you're expressing that somehow it's
not always pretty and it's not always good, but it's real to everybody..everybody
goes through garbage that they have to deal with and when you're...umm...I don't
know....basically what I'm saying is that you don't need to make everything pretty
and nice to. John: Cause everything's not. Matt: ..to glorify
God. Yeah...cause it's not. John: I would say that if the artist is
seeking God and is Christian that they probably wouldn't cross a boundary you
know? If they were truly seeking to do God's will and was hearing God through
His word and through the Spirit I don't think they're going to be releasing porno
tapes or anything like that. Fay: Have you felt limited by a Christian
in what you can create? Like have you thought, "if I say that people are going
to be (Fay makes stupid cat noises) because they're Christian". Matt:
Yeah definitely. John: Yeah Matt: There's been stuff that
we're like "We just can't do that. Everybody in the world is going to be pissed
at us if we do this or say this or that" and not that...it's more of like...we're
not...it's not like we're cutting something out or eliminating something that's
real to us because we think we're going to bother a bunch of people, but more
along the lines of if I...if there's somebody that likes our band, some kid that
likes our band..and we do something that's really going to bum them out, I'd feel
pretty bad about it and I wouldn't want to do that. At the same time I'm not going
to be like fake and phony to accommodate what somebody else thinks I should be.
So it's kind of like a...I guess kind of like a per situation basis. But yeah
there has been stuff that we're like we just can't do that for one reason or another.
John: We just try to be sensitive to the fact that all different sorts
of people are going to hear whatever we're putting out and we don't want to unnecessarily
offend people you know? I mean we don't want....like the Bible says we don't to
be a stumbling block to someone else who may be is younger or whatever you know?
Fay: A professor of mine said that everybody has a motive for creating
something...for doing what they do. What is your motive for playing music? John:
Money. *laughing * No, if it was we would have stopped a couple of years ago.
Matt: I can't imagine not playing music. I've loved music my entire
life.
(loud screaming and yelling of Jesus Christ erupts in the building)
Matt: What on earth is going on? John: I think it
might be the end of the world. *laughing* Matt: Um. I don't know.
I've just always.like music has always meant a whole lot to me. Like when I was
a kid I used to sit down with a tape player and write out the lyrics to songs
I liked and memorize them and sing them. I just can't imagine not playing music,
not creating something involved with music somehow. John: It's mostly
just for the sake of doing it.just for the sake of.basically what he was saying.it's
like.I can't imagine my life without this or some outlet for what's inside. Matt:
It's very much a release to be able to.writing music, writing lyrics and then
playing it.it's like very much like just getting stuff off of your chest. Like
you can write about anything, you can sing about anything, you can play.just putting
any emotion into it it's.I don't know.it's just like a release I guess. John:
Sometimes I feel like being in this band is the only thing that keeps me from
going ballistic and taking hostages so.... *laughing* Fay: That's
funny cause I've talked to a few people about it in other bands and they've said
the same thing...that they would go crazy. *laughing* John: I mean
obviously we're doing what we love and it's awesome, but there's a lot of down
sides to it. I mean, we sleep on floors, we drive around in vans that are falling
apart, and we lose jobs, we're away from our friends and family and stuff. Matt:
Maybe we're insane because we love it. John: Yeah exactly. Matt:
See we're insane. *laughing * John: That could be it. Fay:
This kind of goes along with the other question. Do you think that there has to
be a constant motive for creating art? I don't think I phrased that well. John:
As far as like evangelistically or...? Fay: Umm...either way. Take
it and run with it. Matt: I think there is a constant motive always
from me. I don't know if there has to be but I think there's just the fact I want
to keep doing this and as far as the evangelistic side of everything...I don't...I
have different feelings why and what should be done with that. As far as what
we do the drive is that I really enjoy it. I'm really thankful that we're in the
position to be able to do it and I want to do it for as long as we can, for as
long as we're able to. John: I think that is the concept of motive.
It's just having a passion for. I think everyone at some point tries playing an
instrument in school or they got an acoustic guitar for their birthday or whatever,
some people stick with it and some people don't. That's what makes a difference.
I think that's the motive more than anything there's just something inside you
can't describe, you can't explain it, but it makes you sit out in the cold and
sleep on floors and that kind of stuff. Fay: When you first started
out on Deep Elm were you taken seriously cause you're not doing church stuff.?
John: By like the Christian community? Fay: No, the..I hate
this word..."secular" industry? *laughing * John: By
the world. *laughing * Matt: I think we just started out with the
intention of that was the...that we didn't really want to play to church crowds.
As far as us being taken seriously or not I mean that just goes whether people
like our band or don't like our band. John: I don't think we've seen
any reviews or anything that's been against us based on the fact that we're Christians.
Well, actually there was one that said we had too many Christian references because
the name God was in our lyrics once. *laughs * Matt: I don't know.
I just don't let that stuff bother me. Like we were talking about before just
writing and playing what you think and what you feel and out of real things and
if somebody doesn't like what's real to me and what I feel then I don't care.
It doesn't faze me. It might sound selfish but I'm not doing it, playing it, for
that person. We like what we do and we're really thankful that other people do
but we don't expect everyone to and try not to let it bother (us) when people
don't. Fay: Okay John: I don't even know if we accurately
answered any of those questions.
THE END
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